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	<title>Comments on: Know when to say &#8220;no&#8221; &#8212; and whose fault it is when you don&#8217;t</title>
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		<title>By: Sarah Dillon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Dillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Ryan. SO true about the &quot;poor little ole translator-me&quot; attitude, I feel like I hear far too much of that in professional circles that should know better. I think the same thing applies to people who complain that Blackberries, wireless internet, translation memory, [insert any new technological tool here] &quot;makes&quot; them work harder, rest less, or whatever. It drives me mad!! But then I&#039;m appallingly impatient with the whole learned helplessness attitude generally (I should probably work on that!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Ryan. SO true about the &#8220;poor little ole translator-me&#8221; attitude, I feel like I hear far too much of that in professional circles that should know better. I think the same thing applies to people who complain that Blackberries, wireless internet, translation memory, [insert any new technological tool here] &#8220;makes&#8221; them work harder, rest less, or whatever. It drives me mad!! But then I&#8217;m appallingly impatient with the whole learned helplessness attitude generally (I should probably work on that!)</p>
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		<title>By: bonnjill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonnjill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a client is willing to dump me after I turn one job down after having worked well with them in the past then they are definite not a client I want to have. Stand firm, Adam! There are PLENTY of other agencies out there. Most reputable ones understand if a translator is busy. I totally agree with Ryan. Never give an inch, because some agencies will try to take a mile - and then some! I took an assertiveness class in college. Aside from typing, it was one of the best, most useful classes I ever took!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a client is willing to dump me after I turn one job down after having worked well with them in the past then they are definite not a client I want to have. Stand firm, Adam! There are PLENTY of other agencies out there. Most reputable ones understand if a translator is busy. I totally agree with Ryan. Never give an inch, because some agencies will try to take a mile &#8211; and then some! I took an assertiveness class in college. Aside from typing, it was one of the best, most useful classes I ever took!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Rice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;was that the kind of client you wanted?

Well, up until that point, yes. Paid well, interesting and substantial jobs, reasonable deadlines. Although I didn&#039;t have a long track record with them at the point where I alienated them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;was that the kind of client you wanted?</p>
<p>Well, up until that point, yes. Paid well, interesting and substantial jobs, reasonable deadlines. Although I didn&#8217;t have a long track record with them at the point where I alienated them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Ginstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Ginstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adam

I don&#039;t like feeling pushy, and in negotiations that can be a personality flaw (it&#039;s kind of funny, because I have a 2-dan in judo and love slamming people on the mat; just not being pushy about it :). I also hate haggling and such.

So my first reaction is always to think, &quot;I&#039;ll find a way to do this.&quot; Over time, though, I&#039;ve learned to shut my mouth and think it through. I have a job schedule, and always look at my schedule when I get a request. I make sure I can really do the job on time, adding personal/down time and a fudge factor.

As for the company that dumped you when you turned them down: in retrospect, was that the kind of client you wanted?  In my experience, a company that makes one unreasonable demand will make more. They also use the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_in_the_door&quot;&gt;foot-in-the-door technique&lt;/a&gt;[1]: once they&#039;ve got you to make one concession, they&#039;ll just pile them on (you give an inch, they take a mile...).

[1] I loved psychology class in college; they taught so many scams and cons. I think all the sleazy sales types must have also attended that class, and use it as a guide book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adam</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like feeling pushy, and in negotiations that can be a personality flaw (it&#8217;s kind of funny, because I have a 2-dan in judo and love slamming people on the mat; just not being pushy about it <img src='http://ginstrom.com/scribbles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . I also hate haggling and such.</p>
<p>So my first reaction is always to think, &#8220;I&#8217;ll find a way to do this.&#8221; Over time, though, I&#8217;ve learned to shut my mouth and think it through. I have a job schedule, and always look at my schedule when I get a request. I make sure I can really do the job on time, adding personal/down time and a fudge factor.</p>
<p>As for the company that dumped you when you turned them down: in retrospect, was that the kind of client you wanted?  In my experience, a company that makes one unreasonable demand will make more. They also use the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_in_the_door">foot-in-the-door technique</a>[1]: once they&#8217;ve got you to make one concession, they&#8217;ll just pile them on (you give an inch, they take a mile&#8230;).</p>
<p>[1] I loved psychology class in college; they taught so many scams and cons. I think all the sleazy sales types must have also attended that class, and use it as a guide book.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Rice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually don&#039;t have a problem saying No, but I&#039;m rarely so busy that I need to (and it&#039;s not because I&#039;m especially fast).

I can think of one client where saying No to them one time cut me off from them permanently. The coordinator really leaned on me to take a job that was more than I could handle and out of me field. After I said No, I never heard from them again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually don&#8217;t have a problem saying No, but I&#8217;m rarely so busy that I need to (and it&#8217;s not because I&#8217;m especially fast).</p>
<p>I can think of one client where saying No to them one time cut me off from them permanently. The coordinator really leaned on me to take a job that was more than I could handle and out of me field. After I said No, I never heard from them again.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Ginstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Ginstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jill

You might be the only translator blogging about it (until now), but it comes up all the time when I talk to other translators.

If your friend can work 20-hour days then retire after 10 years or so, more power to her. In my experience, however, people in their 20s tend to blow all the cash; then in your 30s and 40s the physical toll grows too heavy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jill</p>
<p>You might be the only translator blogging about it (until now), but it comes up all the time when I talk to other translators.</p>
<p>If your friend can work 20-hour days then retire after 10 years or so, more power to her. In my experience, however, people in their 20s tend to blow all the cash; then in your 30s and 40s the physical toll grows too heavy.</p>
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		<title>By: bonnjill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonnjill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 04:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t a pretty common problem if I&#039;m apparently the only one complaining about it ;-) . On the other hand, I manage to meet all my deadlines, so I at least know what I can handle and what I can&#039;t. You are totally right. It takes time for a translator to learn what you can handle and what you can&#039;t. There&#039;s also a fine line between too much and letting your social life suffer. One translator I know freely admits to working 20-hour days, because she wants to earn as much money as possible and retire. That&#039;s just insane, and I&#039;ve told her that numerous times. At least I scheduled some breaks today (one for a facial and one for a class on identity theft) in the midst of my insane schedule - and I called it a night at midnight. Thanks for the reinforcement that I&#039;m not alone :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t a pretty common problem if I&#8217;m apparently the only one complaining about it <img src='http://ginstrom.com/scribbles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  . On the other hand, I manage to meet all my deadlines, so I at least know what I can handle and what I can&#8217;t. You are totally right. It takes time for a translator to learn what you can handle and what you can&#8217;t. There&#8217;s also a fine line between too much and letting your social life suffer. One translator I know freely admits to working 20-hour days, because she wants to earn as much money as possible and retire. That&#8217;s just insane, and I&#8217;ve told her that numerous times. At least I scheduled some breaks today (one for a facial and one for a class on identity theft) in the midst of my insane schedule &#8211; and I called it a night at midnight. Thanks for the reinforcement that I&#8217;m not alone <img src='http://ginstrom.com/scribbles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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